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I know I like to be different but I have never been a huge fan of Josh.  I love Josh, in the sense that I love everyone on the show but I just dont GET why everybody is all about Josh.  Having said that, moving on to the episode.  It is a fabulous piece of acting by Richard Schiff and I think it scratches the surface on who Toby is.  How a man who can serve his country can die on a park bench in another man's coat and no one cares.  It made him angry, sure but it made him sad.  Toby was feeling for someone else and I think that was beautiful.  He didnt even know him but he knew he was a verteran and he deserved respect.

The scene with Leo and Margaret was brilliant.  Him not knowing his own sister, I think it just reflects how many people Leo has to deal with and why would Margaret mix in his sister's card when he was sending stuff out to all the people he didnt like right then and they should have been doing the family stuff later.  It was a little glimpse into the relationship between Leo and Margaret, two people who have been together way too long but have affection for each other.  Could anyone but Margaret told him to 'just sign the damn card'.  And to have him actually obey.  He knows not to cross her when she means business.

CJ and Danny are cute in this episode though I dont like the idea of them going out on a date and I always imagine her calling to cancel at a later time, making up some excuse that he did not believe.  Did they ever mention if they went out on that date?  He wa adorable in his pure dumbfoundedness at the situation and I love how CJ wont repeat it.  Their whole exchange was like being back in junior high for a few minutes and that made me giggle.

Mandy, UGH.  Cant a man just go buy a few random, boring Christmas presents without being harrassed by the press?  I lovethe scene with he and Leo in the bookstore.  Just another moment with crackling chemistry between Martin and John....Leo ready to fall on his sword, take his lumps, give up his passion to save face for his best friend.  All the reasons I love him in BFA, all the reasons I love him period.  I also love the scene with Leo and Josh after he has them followed.  They have great comic but poignant scenes throughout the show's entire run and that is just another moment to prove that.

All in all, an amazing episode, definitely in my top 10.


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pocochina From: pocochina Date: November 28th, 2007 06:54 am (UTC) (Link)
I feel you on the Toby-love, and this isn't even my favorite episode. I think I don't love it because he's just so damn good, the storyline breaks my heart every time.

I like the idea of CJ canceling the date with Danny, too, but then I actively dislike Danny and adore CJ. Weird little power play there, I thought, that he not just has to hear her agree to go out, he has to try to make her repeat herself.

I'm split on the bookstore thing, though! I mean, it's totally annoying, and I want him to have a few minutes to just be Jed Bartlet, but she's doing her job, and her advice is pretty sound.

Great review, I like the moments you picked!
kiss_me_cassie From: kiss_me_cassie Date: November 28th, 2007 01:20 pm (UTC) (Link)
This? This is the episode that cemented my Toby love. And this? Is my favorite Christmas Episode.

You know, it's interesting that you mention the thing about loving Josh here, because everyone's all "Oooh! IED! Josh and Donna and the book!" And while I'm a huge 'shipper and obviously that's an adorable scene, that's about the least important bit in this entire episode to me.

J/D? The book? Sure. But what about TOBY!?! What about Mrs. L missing her boys? (God, that line gets me every time!) What about the military funeral and going to find the vet's brother who's so worried about Toby having bus money? Heartbreaking and beautiful and all around the BEST stroyline ever to me.

::wibbbles just a little bit::
dianora2 From: dianora2 Date: November 28th, 2007 03:23 pm (UTC) (Link)
The best moment of the whole episode is when the 21-gun salute goes off and Toby flinches.
skywaterblue From: skywaterblue Date: November 28th, 2007 05:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
That's the part where I start crying. I can keep my cool till then.
hooloovoo_42 From: hooloovoo_42 Date: November 28th, 2007 04:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
Mrs L, when she says about her boys being scared and needing their mother at times like that, just breaks my heart. I know I cry at anything from Winnie the Pooh upwards (hell, have you not read the last chapter of House at Pooh Corner?), but that really does it for me. She's talking about something that happened nearly 30 years ago and she says it in such an amazing tone of voice.

mcgarrygirl78 From: mcgarrygirl78 Date: November 28th, 2007 03:43 pm (UTC) (Link)
OMG, I totally agree. You just dont see it coming and it seems so real, not scripted at all. I love it.
laurenba From: laurenba Date: November 28th, 2007 08:30 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yes to everything you (all) said! I am actually a huge Josh fan...beyond all reason, actually, but I never even remeber that the Alpine Skiing book scene is in this episode because the rest of the ep is so amazing.

When Toby says to the vet's brother "You don't know me, but I'm an ...I'm an influential person" and rubs his forehead like he does, it just kills me. He is so sad and frustrated here -- he knows that he is indeed influential, but what did he (or any of them) do to keep a vet from freezing to death on a park bench?

And Mrs. Landingham...gah. I have 2 boys and when she says "...it's hard not to think that right then they needed their mother," I just bawl. Every time. Even though I know it's coming.
laurenba From: laurenba Date: November 28th, 2007 08:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
Also, as sweet as Josh and Donna are together in season 1, I wasn't really a shipper until much later. She's just so amazingly young here...they're adorable, yes, but I don't see them together (yet).

And... (no one throw rocks, please) as much as I like Danny (I do!) the scene between them where she tried to ask him out (or say yes to one of the times he's asked her) always kinda annoyed me. I never saw Danny and CJ together. Not even at the end of the show when it was pretty clear that's what happened. I mean, I was ok with it, but...I didn't see it. Just me.
mcgarrygirl78 From: mcgarrygirl78 Date: November 28th, 2007 09:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
No, I totally agree with the CJ/Danny thing. I always say its like junior high: firting, a little kissing, some pining and then squat. I am never sure if CJ really likes Danny or if its the rush of the fact that Danny actually likes her. As tall, gorgeous, and smart as she is, CJ seems amazed that anyone would find her sexy and incredible. So I think the whole Danny attraction thing may be her getting high off of his affections. Like second hand smoke.

The Josh-Donna ski book scene is cute, though I am not at all a shipper, I love how he says that yes, skis would have killed him.
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